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Between trying on clothes and puzzling with wigs, there is some time to drink a cup of coffee together. Costume designer Marrit van der Burgt<\/strong> and wig designer Pilo Pilkes<\/strong> have often worked together and rely on each other. We speak each other’s language, we read each other’s handwriting.\u2019<\/p>\n\n

How does that work, designing for an opera like Orph\u00e9e aux Enfers<\/em>?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n

Marrit:<\/strong> \u2018In this case, the decor was already there, so I adapted to it. The decor is very colorful and a lot, that’s why I keep the costumes calm. I got my inspiration from those white Greek images, mixed with red carpet-like dresses of the Hollywood stars – a bit like the gods of today. And so I arrived at the Empire style, neoclassicism, which in turn is inspired by the classical antiquity of the Greeks. Actually, I bring in all the times of history and the colors provide the line; the gods are white, the people wear color – natural<\/em> – and the devils are more blackish<\/em>.\u201d \nPilo:<\/strong> ‘I also started with the Greek statues of the gods, then I will see if I can make it more personal or better suited to what we are going to tell. So the inspiration for the wigs might as well come from everywhere.\u201d \nMarrit<\/strong>: ‘That’s the nice thing about this piece; you can do anything with it!\u201d \nPilo<\/strong>: ‘That is also a pitfall, isn’t it, that anything is possible. Because it has to be correct and clear. If it’s too many lines; a little bit of Empire, a little bit of this and a little bit of that, you don’t know where you are anymore. At such a moment we really need each other to create order.\u201d \nMarrit<\/strong>: ‘Yes, sometimes you pull the costumes and I pull the hair and that’s all allowed. Because everything passes through our hands, it does become one whole. We have been working together for a long time, so [at the same time] we speak the same language (Marrit<\/strong>) we can read each other’s handwriting (Pilo<\/strong>).’ \nMarrit<\/strong>: ‘We have to, because we already work improvising. So you have your designs and lines to follow, but if the final picture is not right, you have to fix it.\u201d \nPilo<\/strong> nods in agreement: ‘Yes, sometimes you have to put on a dozen wigs to see if it fits with the rest and with the person who has to wear the wig.’ \nPilo<\/strong> continues: ‘That is the most challenging, but also the great thing about our profession. That we have to continuously adapt, move along, improvise.’ \nMarrit<\/strong>: ‘That is indeed exciting, but also a lot of fun. It really is an ongoing process, you keep fine-tuning until the premiere. Every production brings new challenges. But that’s why we love this profession.\u2019<\/p>\n\n

Just like the design process, the conversation between the two designers is a bit chaotic and organic. That fits, it turns out…<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n

Pilo<\/strong>: ‘The play itself is quite chaotic; all the characters meddle in everything, Offenbach also makes all kinds of jokes and quotes from other music…But it’s up to us – and the others of the artistic team – to make it as clear as possible. Although it remains an exuberant whole, that has to be in Orph\u00e9e aux Enfers<\/em>.’ \nMarrit<\/strong>: ‘Yes, do people understand everything…? But that’s okay. You feel it, it goes through your heart.’ Pilo laughs: ‘That’s a nice ending to this conversation: it enters your heart.’<\/p>\n\n

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Interview: Kyra Bertram <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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