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They sit down to interview each other, discussing their inspirations, ambitions, and the humanity within the work.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>Yannick:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cWhat\u2019s the main challenge for you in directing\u00a0Bluebeard\u2019s Castle\u00a0again?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Kenza:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cI find it a challenge to depict the intimacy and humanity of the relationship between Bluebeard and Judith. I want the audience in the theatre to feel like they\u2019re part of the situation, maybe even sitting\u00a0too\u00a0close to it.\u201d <br><strong>Yannick:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cThat\u2019s why we\u2019ve placed the set \u2013 the homely living room \u2013 so far forward on the stage.\u201d <strong>Kenza:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cExactly. At the same time, as a spectator, you can see the whole situation, unlike Judith and Bluebeard, who are right in the middle of it. We literally magnify certain aspects of the action so that we can use theatrical drama to show what\u2019s happening between Bluebeard and Judith and how it feels.\u201d <strong>Yannick:<\/strong> \u201cWe have a spiderweb-like structure that lets enlarged objects drop into the set, zooming in on what\u2019s unfolding between Bluebeard and Judith. They become entangled in their patterns, in their relationship.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>Kenza:<\/strong>&nbsp;\u201cI think the set looks beautiful. How have you brought the characters to life through your scenography?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Yannick:<\/strong>&nbsp;\u201cIn our first discussions, we talked about the paintings of Edward Hopper. His work feels both abstract and incredibly concrete. You\u2019re right up close to it, and yet it feels still and desolate in a way. I really wanted to capture that atmosphere visually in the set. I\u2019ve consciously and unconsciously drawn inspiration from these paintings. I only realised much later that the colour palette I chose is also similar to Hopper\u2019s. Bluebeard is dressed in elegant, cool tones \u2013 like navy \u2013 which blend well with the green of his castle, where he feels at home. Meanwhile, Judith, with her warm autumnal colours, will never fit into his world because she always stands out against the green backdrop.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Yannick:<\/em><\/strong><em>&nbsp;<\/em><em>\u201cWhat aspect of&nbsp;<\/em><em>Bluebeard\u2019s Castle<\/em><em>&nbsp;<\/em><em>do you find the most complex to portray?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Kenza:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cI always find the grey areas in characters the most interesting, but they\u2019re also open to interpretation. Of course, I bring my own ideas about Bluebeard and Judith to the table. But how do Thomas and Deirdre see it? They\u2019re the ones who will be bringing the roles to life. I have strong views on Bluebeard\u2019s inability to connect, which manifests as dominance, and as a woman, I naturally lean towards siding with Judith. But on the other hand, Judith also has her own shortcomings. She\u2019s determined to break him open to make the relationship work. Is it right for her to do that, or is it selfish? For me, they\u2019re both equally complex.\u201d <br><strong>Yannick:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cThe interplay between the two characters is so fascinating and complex at the same time. Certain traits in both Bluebeard and Judith drive the power dynamics between them. They struggle, clash, and try to find each other; that human interplay makes the opera so thrilling.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em><strong>Kenza:<\/strong>&nbsp;\u201cThe relationship between Bluebeard and Judith is indeed incredibly human. How do you view their relationship from your own experiences?\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Yannick:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cWhat touches me personally is that constant effort to find each other. I can relate to wanting to discover at what point you can connect with someone, wanting to figure out who you are\u00a0<em>with<\/em>\u00a0the other person, wanting to understand each other. And I understand the pain when that doesn\u2019t work out. And you?\u201d <br><strong>Kenza:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cI recognise the patterns you can fall into together. It can feel comfortable, but you can also get stuck in a pattern that comes at the expense of both yourself and the other person. It\u2019s precisely that humanity in intimate relationships that I hope will pull the audience in, partly through recognition and partly through the theatrical drama.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Interview: Kyra Bertram<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Director Kenza Koutchoukali and scenographer, costume, and lighting designer Yannick Verweij have been working together on B\u00e9la Bart\u00f3k\u2019s Bluebeard\u2019s Castle for months. Yet, they\u2019re far from running out of things to say about the opera. 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